is being hijacked, it has been by these fringe groups for some time, but now the department of justice is embracing them and bringing with it a kind of dangerous redefining of religious liberty. the thing that i want to say as a minister is that we have to be really clear that yes, religious liberty is central to the constitution. there's a first amendment right. there's also a 14th amendment. and, you know, my first amendment rights end where my neighbor's 14th amendment equal protection under the law begins. >> you wrote a piece for nbc think in which you say, it is not enough for christian nationalists to freely exercise their vision of good life in the name of liberty. they want to right to discriminate against others, against those with whom they disagree. this is the point you're making, religious freedom is something everybody should embrace. this is something different. >> and it has a long history. we have to look back to the civil rights era when, you know, jeff sessions was coming up in the methodist church in alabama.

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