from manafort's defense where they brought up gates and they said look, it's not really all about witnesses. there's a lot of paper here. you'll see it in manafort's own happened and his own e-mails. the prosecutors said we have the burden of proof here and we're happy to bear it, which i took to mean they think there's ample proof that manafort's guilty. >> yeah, arm chair lawyering is very dangerous but one thing that arm chair lawyers like myself heard when the indictments were first unsealed was that this was a paper case that all the evidence was in the charging documents. was there a sense in the courtroom today that this was an airtight case or was there the anticipation that this could go anywhere? >> i think a lot of observers still there it's a pretty strong case with gates' testimony you get not only the financial machinations surrounding the offshore bank accounts but the questions of bank fraud that arose in some part during the trump campaign, these applications for large loans
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