good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. one day before president trump's former campaign manager is going to stand trial in federal court for money laundering and bank fraud in relation to his work for a pro-russian political party in ukraine and one day after the president went on possibly his most aggressive twitter rant yet about the mueller investigation, which he called the operation an illegal scam, trump's lawyer, rudy giuliani, was out today wildly, desperately spinning to try to accomplish two very specific things. one, move the goalposts to say that collusion is not a crime, and two, to get ahead of the emerging storyline of a trump campaign strategy meeting that maybe occurred two days before the infamous trump tower meeting that had promised dirt on hillary clinton. in two interviews this morning, interviews that were often confusing, bewildering, and in which giuliani often seemed confused, one goal of mr. giuliani was pretty evident.