>> that's what i mean. you don't think that russia spent money to try to develop this case against bill broaderror the zip brothers or whoever this information? >> don't you think the people from wikileaks and the people from manning and don't you think they spent money and the pentagon papers? it costs money to get information. >> that was not provided to the campaign. that was provided directly to the campaign. >> if you're trying to target a person, you can stretch the law that way. but that's not the way civil liberties lawyers should approach a problem of criminal law. the concept of it requires that you define the criminal law in