trump jr. because he's already testified under oath about this? >> seems so to me. i'm not legal expert. there's been a pattern of lies, lies, lies or cover-ups. that's obviously where legal investigators are going to look. from the outside, there was certainly a willingness and a welcome desire to collaborate and collude with anybody to help them against the hillary clinton campaign. >> and is that why you say that this was not an innocent meeting? that they were trying to get dirt on hillary clinton? i mean, it wasn't all about adoptions, we later found out not true in the claim. why is it you think it was -- you know, not an above board meeting? >> for a couple reasons. one is, when a foreign power steals information from american citizens and provides it to you, the right thing to do is go to your lawyers, your security people, go to the fbi. >> but is it possible that the