a reality his attorney rudy giuliani seems to understand as a possibility as well as he draws on his experience prosecuting mafia families to make sense of the tape release last night. >> i've done about 4,000 hours of mafia people on tapes. i know how to listen to them, i know how to transcribe them. this tape is crystal clear when you listen to it. i've dealt with much worse tapes than this. >> while some of the recording is indeed muddled, here are the headlines. donald trump discussed the decision to silence karen mcdougal and pay her through his ally, david pecker, the owner of the nargsal enquirer. donald trump and michael cohen seem to debate how to pay for mcdougal's silence and whether to use cash or a check. the cash was on the menu as something we'll ask frank and joyce about. donald trump was concerned about a lawsuit with "the new york times" over records related to his divorce from ex-wife ivana. donald trump was aware of the need to keep damaging incidents out of the news until a future point in time seemingly but not