over the -- over the top. >> i don't believe that, you know, them looking into carter page means they were spying on the campaign. >> if the performance that we had in helsinki took place before those applications were filed, i think that whole interchange with putin would have been a central exhibit in the fisa applications. >> if you asked the fbi today, how much of the dossier on trump has been verified, almost none of it. >> but you say mostly, not entirely. therefore, was the surveillance justified? >> no, not at all, in my view. if the dossier is the reason you issued the warrant, it is a bunch of garbage. the dossier has proven to be a bunch of garbage. >> we begin with carter page, the one-time trump campaign adviser, denying he was a russian agent, following the release of previously classified documents related to a 2016 fbi wiretap. >> you did advise the kremlin back in 2013 or 2012, somewhere in there. >> jake, that's -- it's really spin. i mean, i -- i sat in on some