appointment. there are fractures on the right as they see this preferred access that fox gets. some of the other ones may -- i mean, the danger is that you then -- it splinters and they turn back on the white house. >> the idea that the conservative president that we'll stand up to the white -- >> they have the experience of the one interview that he granted to our own lester holt. >> yeah. >> [ overlapping talking ]. >> because 23 tif the president a conversation with a functional journalist, he's going to indict himself. that's what they're afraid of. remember, we also have to look at the quality of the people that he's speaking to at fox news. there are real reporters at fox news. just like there are real reporters in other places. sean hannity is connected to the investigation. tucker carlson at this point given what his ratings are, i think it's important that we remember the president is literally propping up a business in a world as well. you talk about choosing -- he's