but this hpáh!een a black hole from the beginning for us reporters, for the public and even members of congress. it seems to me transparency is actually the friend of the agencies at this point if they actually want to reunite. wouldn't you agree? >> yes. it's important to maintain the privacy and security of children, but it's also important to be transparent. and when i was at o.r.r., we did frequently have tours of facilities available by appointment to journalists and congressional representatives and maintained an open door policy in that regard. i think that's concerning. it's important that the care of children and small vulnerable traumatized children is a paramount concern and symptoms and oversight is critical to be part of that. >> bob, kevin, thanks for joining us. the president's personal attorney learning loyalty only runs one way. will michael cohen flip? more, next.