and whether he is charged. >> nelson is, there anything unusual thus far in all your experience, as you listen to us recite the details of this case, is it unusual that he hasn't met with the feds? anything unusual yet? >> well, first of all, we don't know for a fact whether or not he has met with the feds. mueller's team, of course, has been very quiet. the southern district of new other part of the case is also being very quiet here. we simpldon't know. every criminal case, 7/8 of it are you should water, like an iceberg. we only see the tip that's above the water. is unusual at this moment that cohen would be looking to change lawyers. perhaps 's the money, as many of us suspect. but don't forget, until now, the trump campaign was paying cohen's legal bills. we learned from campaign finance documents released a couple of months ago that the trump campaign paid $228,000 toward michaecohen's legal bills for