kim jong-un was -- he really has been very open and i think very honorable from everything we're seeing. >> honorable, how did we get here? >> it's truly incredible. and by the way, i think today is the one year anniversary of otto warmbier when he returned home in a coma state. honorable, kim jong-un is named as a man who commits crime against humanity by united nations. they came out with a 400-page commission on human rights, a guy who runs crime against humanity, separate from the penal system. so, honorable, i don't think he's quite honorable. but i do think that kim jong-un is -- there is a high possibility that is duping president trump because just trump deciding to meet with kim jong-un, we talked about what door that opens, right? that's what led to xi jinping inviting kim jong-un meeting with him twice and he had this