us know. >> we never hear from robert mueller's team. the only time we hear from them are through the court filings. you have the president trying to go out and tear down their credibility saying spygate, et cetera, giuliani, who is basically acting as the president's spokesperson now saying they are trying to frame him. we are talking about the messages that the president could be sending to others about pardons. could this be a message from mueller to the president? don't obstruct justice? >> this event combined today with everything that happened this week, one of course we don't know where the probe is going. every other week it seems like there is something coming down and we see the president react this real time. this event combined with what we saw from trump's lawyers and the controversy over the statement that the president made at the time, that the white house made at the time of the donald trump jr. letter in trump tower with what his lawyers said, that he actually did dictate that