york and cannot be pardoned by the defendant. we had to build a firewall between white house staff that works for the president and the personal legal staff that works for donald trump with regard to the russia probe, kelly said. so it seems he might be the bridge. and what does that say with him attending the meeting. >> reporter: based on my reporting, fanning the flames about this quote/unquote flame. it's rudy giuliani on the president's legal team, the outside external legal team. so it is my understanding and my reporting that giuliani feels as though this is a way, by pushing this story line, to help potentially undermine the mueller as a whole, according to folks sort of around the president's orbit there. so you have that piece of the puzzle, then you have inside the

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