took that suspicious risk for some reason? >> i can't say that he -- i mean, it seems clear that he was aware that that's something he to do. it would be pretty hard for him to claim that it isn't. but i think the second, and possibly bigger piece that we just don't know the answer to yet, is was there some kind of bribe going on? in other words they paid cohen to get a meeting with trump. what came out, what we know from the report assuming its true, is ukraine changed its policy, they stopped investigating manafort. that also benefitted trump because it hurts the mueller investigation because then they weren't cooperating with mueller digging for more information about manafort to cooperate with mueller. was that something promised by trump? did trump promise anything in return? >> were there strong leads that bob mueller wouldn't get. >> if there are leads in in the
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