certainly, in the formal statement we got from donald trump jr., he understood it to be a pitch. so, that's where that's left. and then, as you mentioned, later on, after the campaign is over, during the transition, george nader, the adviser to the united states arab emirates, who was present at that meeting, turns around and pays joem zamel to put together, or, one of his xauns, a company called white knights, based in the philippines, to put together a presentation showing basically how effective it was. so maybe the proposal wasn't executed. but he, nader, appears to have paid zamel quite a bit of money, and one of the things he got for that money was a presentation that could have been shown to the trump campaign to demonstrate that this social media campaigning got them over the line. so it's quite a murky picture. >> so we don't -- sorry to interrupt you there for a second. we don't know that the social media campaign was actually enacted, but we do know that it