not overstating this. it would truly unravel our entire network of human sources around the world. nobody would trust that we could keep their identity secret. no one would give us information. we'd be blind. >> do you believe that's the president's intention? >> yes. >> someone must have told him what you just said. someone has to have walked into the oval office and said what you just said to the president. he's not busy, so they would have had time to get on his schedule. someone must have walked in and told him that. >> they may have told him that, but they may have also -- there also may have been another meeting in which they said, mr. president, you know, the way to undermine the mueller investigation here is to try to find someone who was giving the fbi information and try to make an example of them because that's clear what rudy giuliani has been telling the president. and that's clearly what congressional republicans at the house intelligence committee have been telling the president and so i'm not sure which meeting occurred, nicolle, and which one had sway. but right now they're going down