enough to protect ourselves from what john mccain describes. how worried are you about the role russia might play in 2018? >> i'm very worried. on two dimensions. one, i don't think we're doing nearly enough nationally as far as cyber security is concerned. i just heard john bolton at the white house is going to do with cyber security coordinator. what russia did in 2016 demonstrates the vulnerability of this country in that digital domain where our adversaries and mal actors can exploit everything in the domain we depend on so heavily. we're not doing enough on cyber security. on russia, i think mr. trump's policies and statements and interactions with mr. putin are really quite perplexing. >> are they perplexing or becoming more obvious? are you perplexed? >> well, i'm still perplexed as to why he is not doing what he needs to do on behalf of this country. >> why wouldn't he? >> well, you know, people have speculated and i have speculated