yet in the same interview giuliani tried to make the case that trump had nothing to hide. >> mayor, if the president has done nothing wrong as you say again and again and he tells the truth -- >> he hasn't done anything wrong, george. >> and he tells the truth as you advised him to do, what is the danger in answering robert mueller's questions? ary >> they're trying to trap him. >> it's only a trap situation if he doesn't tell the truth. >> no, it isn't. it's only prosecutable if they have some built-up manipulated evidence to prove the president didn't tell the truth. how often has that happened? >> you believe the president is telling the truth. if you believe that, you have that conviction, you're his attorney. why don't you say go in, talk to robert mueller, tell the truth. >> because i wouldn't be an attorney if i did that, george. i'd be living in an unreal fantasy world that everybody tells the truth. >> it's called the real world. joining us on set, jan palmieri.