value is not $130,000. it's not $430,000. nuisance value to a big corporation is $1,000. ask any lawyer who has made a demand and a company says we just want it to go away. >> it's precedent. once you pay someone, now you've done it. to rudy giuliani, while i cannot profess to be as wealthy as president trump, though we don't know how wealthy he is. we've never seen his taxes. i haven't gone bankrupt four times. i've never paid anyone off. i've never had a lawyer pay anyone off. so that's not the way we all conduct our lives. now i want to stay on this. rudy giuliani appeared to contradict the president about james comey. i want to show exactly what he said. >> he fired him, he said, i'm free of this guy. he went on lester holt. lester holt's interview was as good as anybody could do. better than i think any of the people around mueller could have done. lester holt asked him, wihy did