interesting in terms of psychobabble. in other words, the only way people around trump think they can educate him is to let the public know what they want him to know and have him see what the published reaction is. >> the best way. >> that's a well-known tactic we've seen his team do. i will point out. >> you've seen them leak stuff to get it to trump? >> absolutely. i will point out that his team also put giuliani out there to say there's no way trump is going to sit for a 12-hour interview. look at these questions. max two hours. so you see the negotiating tactic here, via trump's tweets and jew's comments to the "post." new team, new tactics. >> you agree that the purpose of this leak whoever did it on the trump side did it to try to bring the public in as allies of trump? >> i do think that's true. i would like 0 make a caveat that -- we shouldn't ascribe too
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