manifesting this people living in their countries. thousands of people have died because of u.s. intervention. now we have to own to this because this country is theirs just as it's any americans. >> what's the logical american they're giving for why one would separate a mother with their young child? >> they're saying if they come here, they're probably just going to come into the country and go into the u.s. and disappear. they're trying to give the mother an incentive to stay and fight her case and come back to court. now, we talk about a fine and a bond. that's reasonable. but when you're talking about separating a mother and their child? that's inhumane, and a senator from new york has said that's something that we should not be proud of as a nation, and we shouldn't be proud of the world to show we're capable of doing th this, undermining what we are as a nation of immigrants, as a nation of law. we're not even going to abide by our refugee laws. and that is pretty despicable and -- >> it's important -- if their