be president. i mean, if you're chief of staff kelly and you used to keep these things inside, once you start verbalizing these things, it is as if he's trying to cope, trying to reach -- reaching out for help from people just trying to say to people, look, i'm doing all of these things. it is like in airport 77 when karen black is the stewardess up in there trying to fly the plane. i mean, i can understand why john kelly feels like he is the last person standing between chaos and keeping the plane in the air. >> but it's also clear from your reporting that there are people who want him out. >> definitely are. steve, what's your take on a.b. point and jonathan's that john kaelly may be extraordinary frustrated? there was reporting that the way john kelly was trying to get information to the president or how he wanted kerstin nelson to take a more senior post and may