information, which i think it turned out he had. so, talk about the journey that even some of the most respected people that went in with the mission of serving their country and trying to make it better and we can debate the merits of that another day, but talk about how everyone comes out tarnished. >> well, look, i think it's almost an inarguable proposition at this point. you mentioned h.r. mcmaster. he was a sitting general. you could argue more than most he had the duty to sign up by all accounts he wasn't angling to become the national security advisor. what's striking to me is not that he fell out with trump or you get too close to his orbit. his orbit is the people around him and what's really interesting, right, is the infighting that this style of management causes and that's part of how people start to end up tarnished or with permanent friendships and relationships destroyed. that's basically what happened inside president trump's national security team, which is