about the fifth being pled by michael cohen, they have the documents. him pleading the fifth probably doesn't add a whole lot. >> the interesting aspect about this is ty cobb and john dowd negotiate a sit down based on four categories. i wrote on those categories saying that was a good deal. those are four areas where i think the president has very strong defenses. that's a frontal attack where your armor is the best. it notably didn't include stormy daniels or some of the issues that i think present existential threats to the president. does it increase risk? yes. but to paraphrase voltaire "those that run away often get massacred." do i get the voltaire prize now? >> you win it. >> i can stop. okay. [ laughter ] >> you said it, professor. >> we're fascinated. elizabeth bumiller, let's change topics and go to dr. ronny jackson.