that vicinity, perhaps what was heard was coming from a gun range or maybe a hunter or something to that effect. but it has nothing to do with travis reinking. >> did the father acknowledge giving the guns back to the son? >> to my understanding, he has. >> do you know if the -- [ inaudible ] >> i personally do not. >> so this laptop cover was found by a citizen at this -- >> it's a laptop case. >> what's was in it? >> it was empty. >> except for that -- >> it did have a hand written identification card with the name travis reinking on that card. >> can you clarify, the father had said the acknowledgement with police in illinois, the father told investigators in illinois, they had an understanding that he wasn't going to give the weapons back to his son. >> i am not aware of that. >> is that illegal what he did?