investigative legal perspective, there is a lot here that is salacious and not probative. what is more probative but takes more time is asking, why did the president of the united states need a loyalty oath from the fbi director and his deputy, mccabe? why was he fixated on mccabe? why did he show such a mastery of comey one, comey two, comey three, the hillary clinton investigation? why is it, let me ask you this, and i'll pass you back the ball, because you're our moderator, why is donald trump so fixated on how the fbi works and whether it can be used to indict hillary clinton and whether the number two at the fbi is a threat to him personally? i don't think that has much to do with the unverified part of the dossier. i wonder what else he knows that relates to the michael cohen proceedings going on in new york. >> that's where i'm going. this is where i'm going. >> that relates to the things that were done by manafort and gates. why is donald trump, before there is even a mueller probe, so fixated on that. that comes through in the comey memo in a way that is shocking. >> i agree with you. it is powerful and i think it points to the long history of