of evidence but many pieces together and piece them together. and it is other things that trump has said and done, like the statement to comey to see his way to let flynn go, to his reported desires to fire mueller. these are just two examples and there's many more of things that all lead to the idea that what he said back there to lester holt, that's the real reason. >> even this morning, in his tweet about this, he said -- he called it the phony russia investigation. could you use that to say, hey, listen. he clearly doesn't like this investigation, he very clearly doesn't respect this investigation, he's calling it phony. does that add in to intent at all? >> i think it does, in part. i think really what you've got to get to is why -- the heart of that obstruction case is why did he fire jim comey and why he's trying to just throw mud on the investigation goes to that point. the other point is, too, he's