of my closest business associate and lawyer, i would be bummed. >> yeah, look remember the president has said very openly vocally that he does not want bob mueller looking at his finances. this seems directly into that. and we know that obviously this wasn't mueller that did it. this is outside of russia and someone else did it. the department of justice essentially going past that red line that the president tried to create. >> mike the schmidt of "the new york times," thanks for being with me. you don't get to unilaterally create red line investigations when you're not the president. everyone else who gets investigated by prosecutors finds themselves blown around in the wind. pete williams, you've been following the justice department reaction to all of there. what is it like in that building right now? >> well, you know, these are stressful jobs under the best conditions. they're difficult. they're complicated. and that's when you feel that you have your bosses at your back. so that is not the situation today. many of the senior people at the justice department come to work pre morning wondering if this