was in furtherance of an illegal act, there will not be an attorney/client privilege either. >> okay. >> and here's why it's important. it puts both of these lawyers in a very difficult position and it provides mueller with leverage in the investigation. remember, we have all these little different individual trees. but the forest here is the russia investigation. >> right. >> so if mr. cohen knows something about the russia investigation, and he was involved with the planning of this trump tower in moscow, he was involved in discussions with the ukrainians and if they're treatment was going to be different from the trump organization, if he knows about that, and now mueller has a way to get to him because he has this campaign violation which is illegal, probably he's going to be deposed and probably will lie, now he's going to have a perjury situation. and he's got a bar problem with the new york bar, if he commits perjury and has also been