facilitate a payment for you is my first question. >> no, that went down in a very different fashion. >> and you have seen our reporting on a lot of the -- what's most important in your view, having been on the inside. >> loose lips sinking ships tonight on msnbc. the number one thing is, even in the age of trump, it's great to see that you can put out a tweet response, a positive response, comes out and says something as ridiculous as i didn't mean to write it when i wrote it. versus stepping away from it. at the same time, the leaks have come out since then in a day of inception on facebook, shows that people's reaction to the leak itself, saying who are these people within the company? it's a direct kind of assault to figure out, they're less mad about what actually was said in the memo than the way it came out. >> you're saying a cult of

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