in a president down the road. >> why did they think ralph nor northam was successful, they were two prosecutors, that goes to -- it's not stormy daniels, but it's the morass of trump. >> the fact that it's not that big of a story is in fact evidence of how low the expectations are for donald trump. imagine it was barack obama. the bar is so low. on the one hand you say it's so easy for him to get over the bar because the bar is so low. but over time, it makes people say, he isn't fit. if he can't even --. >> i think -- >> it's a blackmail issue, and