daniel dresner. >> he's going to punch you in the nose. >> in new york, mike barnacle who will probably agree with chris and also we have tv's own willie geist. dan actually brought you on to explain, if you will, that if there are people in pennsylvania that think this is good for them or are people in ohio think this is good for them, talk about the tradeoffs. how do these tariffs hurt working class americans when they go to buy things in walmart, in sam's club, in their grocery store, when they go to try to get a used car to give to their kids when they're about to drive off to college. >> so basically these tariffs hurt ordinary working class americans in two ways. the first is they're going to raise consumer prices. the price of every steel-using industry is about to go up, which even people like wilbur ross and peter navarro acknowledge. they claim, it's just a small text.