you are itemizing that we have in terms of sanctions with russia -- >> i think that the treasury department will do it bit by bit because at the end of the day, it's the law. congress said they have to do it and congress, as you said, is unanimous. congress speaks for the american people. they'll continue to clamp down. and the other thing we have to remember is the entire intelligence community, the national security community, they're all worried about russia. the only way to get russia to behavior frankly speaking is make it painful. if they don't feel the pain, putin will keep on going. >> but taking the country off the swift system, it did work for iran, it did bring them to their knees, it shot inflation up. people couldn't export things. that is such a big move that you have to have decided that you are really targeting this country and you really want them to stop. >> yeah. >> i'm not sure we've got that commitment in america. >> it's a problem. i mean, look, honestly under the last administration the one i worked in, the obama administration when i was there, now granted that was before the attack on our elections and on