donald trump's family has said they got tons of money from the russian, they were very eager to do business. why aren't we trying to prove something that's hiding in plain sight? why can't we flip the script and make them disprove what's in front of all of our faces? >> in line with that, i think we should be very careful that we say that trump was being played because trump may have in some ways got hooked in, but may have already been part of a play here. and because you have to ask yourself, and as one that is -- >> i totally agree. >> -- had seen donald trump for decades, somebody coming to him, working for free, he would want to know well why does this guy want to work for free? that's not the way a new york hustler like trump operates. you've got to show him where your assets are for me -- >> you want to see the bigger play. >> and what does this mean? what are you going to do for me? you're going work fosh me for nothing, why? and manafort had to tell him a