so chris christie is not trying to help john kelly there, but the -- the question of where the pressure comes from on john kelly's job is a complicated one. in any other white house, there would be a need for the white house chief of staff in the middle of a controversy to step up to that microphone himself today -- and when i say that, it's hard to think of another white house where a chief of staff was ever the center of a controversy, the last one i can think of is john sinunu in the 1980s. >> i talked to chris whipple, who interviewed the 17 living former chief of staffs, nothing including reince priebus, and the truth of the matter is he regards john kelly as the worst chief of staff even worse than don reagan, who was ousted by nancy reagan when he couldn't control the iran-contra crisis. john kelly has failed at his job.