might want john kelly's job said yesterday that john kelly, we haven't heard from him directly yet, and i think the president needs to hear from kelly directly before he can make an evaluation of competence. so chris kristy is not trying to help john kelly there, but the -- the question of where the pressure comes from on john kelly's job is a complicated one. in any other white house, there would be a need for the white house chief of staff in the middle of a controversy to step up to that microphone himself today -- and when i say that, it's hard to think of another white house where a chief of staff was ever the center of a controversy, the last one i can think of is john sinunu in the 1980s. >> i talked to chris whipple, who interviewed the 17 living former chief of staffs, nothing including reince priebus, and the truth of the matter is he