>> well, yeah, it looks like that. but i think probably what happened in that instance was that the president never really was firmly at the table with chuck schumer. i think the president was trying to get a feel for where things were, trying to get his head around this, much more than it had been up to that point. and just couldn't go there. and of course, didn't call schumer back, had the chief of staff do it. which, again, goes to the point of which president is going to be the leader on this issue. is it the tuesday president whose says, you know, give me the love bill. i'll sign whatever it is? because to take care of these 800,000 kids, or the thursday president that says in addition to building the wall, we want no form of amnesty whatsoever. well want them deported out of the country. and we'll move on from there. >> and even, that chris. michael, what you just articulated, which i think is actually a view held by a lot of republicans in the base, by a lot of republicans on capitol hill and the white house which is we substantively belief these