either, and the result is that any of these stopgap measures push the conflict down the road. eventually, members are going to have to deal with this issue, this question of immigration. an extraordinarily portant question extraordinarily divisive, especially within the republican party, and imagine at some point the government will be open again, but it's tough to have a sense of what it might take for that to happen. >> gosh, i hope the government is going to open again. >> this is the 19th shutdown we have had going back 40 years. the average length of a shutdown is 6.9 days. the longest we had was in the '70s, second longest was a couple years ago in 2013. there was a real economic hit to that. some economists will tell you we shaved off half a percent from economic growth, 120,000 private sector jobs may not have been created because of that shutdown. you have drug trials that can't be done, certain things the government does to help business that are not going to get done.