non-violent prisoners with skills and a second chance. it is the latest responsibility on jared kushner's growing list within the white house. that also includes middle east peace. but this is somewhat personal for kushner. his father, a developer charles kushner, served a 14-month federal sentence. jonathan capehart is an opinion writer for "the washington post" and msnbc contributor and tim o'brien is executive editor of bloomberg gadfly and bloomberg view, also an msnbc contributor, and the author of a donald trump biography. jonathan, let's first get to prison reform. this is something that democrats can get on board with. it's something people who did not vote for donald trump, didn't think donald trump would be their champion, can get on board with. do you think this could take off and move the feelings about donald trump in a positive direction among those who don't like him? >> okay. put the president aside for a moment. keep in mind that prison reform was something, and criminal