at this point. in fact, it's kind of fun to watch for whenever somebody gets in trouble. whenever one of their former administration or campaign officials gets in really, really hot water, suddenly they have never heard of that guy. national security adviser mike flynn, a campaign volunteer. campaign chairman paul manafort, i think he worked on the campaign for a short period of time. foreign policy adviser carter page, that dude, nobody has ever met him. today it was white house chief strategist steve bannon's turn. >> how close were they when they were in the white house? one of the claims in the book is you frequently dined with mr. bannon unless he was already in invited. >> the book says he had been sidelined by april, which i think goes further to indicate he had very little credibility to give much information particularly after that point, which most of the book is based after that timeframe. again, this book is mistake after mistake after mistake. >> were they not close by the time --