i'm trying to figure out trump world here. we've got so many cases where donald trump in the past has trashed somebody and that person years later or months later is back in the inner circle somehow. somebody who's in the inner circle one day is on the outs months later. isn't there a scenario where this all comes around and bannon and trump end up as allies? >> i agree with susan that this is the washington version of a confirmation by not denying and not running to say, oh, it was off the record. i was a victim of a journal lis stick mishappen. so i do think it is a tacit confirmation. your point is good though, that perhaps this is just another court jester falling out of favor and he could emerge again. the only reason i don't think that's possible is because the attack was so personal and it was about donald trump's family. >> right. >> you look at other exiled advisers, it's not like they're going after ivanka trump. they aren't going after his son-in-law or his son, donald