>> listen, this segment is not about us playing what aboutism, mr. blackwell. with all due respect there are activists and -- >> this is not a lecture. this is not a to adjust this th are raising. >> let me jump in here. if we were to have constructive dialogue, let me go around another topic, but circles around race. let me pivot and showcase what we are talking about. let's talk about omarosa, whether they liked her or lot, that brought the topic back to life of racial diversity in the whouls. let's talk abo white house. so let's talk about that. this is one part about frankly the diversity in the white house. what would you say to that, ken, if we keep it with that narrow lean? >> well, i'll tell you, om a rosa and a number of folks of