another part of this. which is nbc reporting on high ranking campaign official here that says basically e-mailed this official with a subject line request from russia to meet mr. trump. what robert was just talking about and official nbc sources identify as paul manafort and forwards it saying we need someone to communicate dt, presumably donald trump, is not doing these trips and not to send any signal. what are your ideas on what that means, that reference to a signal, ned? >> i have heard different theories of this excerpt, ari, and that this shows that the trump campaign was not interested in pursuing these leads, these tidbits from the russians. i think it shows the opposite and want do do it in an under the table, very discrete manner, a manner that is far less prominent than sending a candidate donald trump. they want to send someone like