locked out of our corporate media coverage. you know, we looked to rt for access to the american public. >> do you still believe that? do you believe rt and other networks like that are valuable to people like you, despite their link to the russian government? >> well, you know, the same could be said about china tv, about telesur and about the bbc or the canadian broadcasting system -- >> no, the canadian broadcasting system and the bbc do not have the same links to their government as rt and the kremlin. you cannot compare the two. >> okay, well, they are state sponsored and state associated. and, you know, for sure rt has its propaganda and its -- >> well, the bbc isn't it -- >> -- russian point of view -- >> so that's an unfair comparison. >> well, you know, i think you can say that each state sponsored carries some degree of its state focus. hillary clinton herself several

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