>> did demaurice smith reach out to the victims, the people that they were supposed to be kneeling for, deal with the people that were fighting the issues? i know i haven't spoken with them but maybe it was others. did they use this to go and deal with some ways of getting donations to try to quiet down what colin and others did and not really deal with the issue, the fundamental issue? >> they should not have. they did not aggressively pursue kaepernick and those people, who continue to kneel. there's still some players who are continuing to kneel. and that's not important -- >> and jack, the problem, let me bring you into this. jack, the problem is still there. it's not like we've resolved the issue. it's not the supreme court did with ali saying, yes, they have a right to respect their religion. it's not that these courts have said, yes, we've got to deal with the police issues that they were dealing for in the first place. this is not a sitcom here, this is real life.