lots of different high-profile aspects of the administration. so, it sounds like they probably are related but the kushner people would come back and say it's the direction that swrard wanted to go from the first place after being successful, really, in getting people like reince priebus out and getting the white house focused. >> and steve bannon he wanted to get out and was successful in that as well. >> exactly. >> julia, do you think there could be a message from kushner, who wants this out there? then he gets to signal he's distancing himself from the white house? >> people like john kelly are definitely trying to push him out of the limelight because he appears in the russia investigation to come up from time to time and it seems to be a pattern. we saw that he wanted to set up a back channel with the kremlin