joining us now, julia ansly, justice reporter for nbc news, one of the reporters who broke the flynn news. also with us, eugene robinson, a msnbc plit cap analyst and ron klain, chief of staff to vice presidents and president obama and a former chief counsel of the senate jewish yeah committee. julia, first to your reporting on the flynn case and i should say the flynn cases, michael flynn, the father, michael flynn, the son. >> yes. i mean, what we're seeing here is a ramped up pressure on michael. the flynn, the father, because he's a very important part of this investigation for robert mueller. if you think about all of the work that mueller's investigation has done over the past few months, pulling documents, all of the data and figures they need, they need people to fill in the gaps, tell narrative of how closely the trump campaign may have worked with russia leading up this election and michael t. flynn, the father, can do that because he worked on the campaign and he also was the national security adviser.