is it just easier to go for obstruction of justice and also as ken was pointing out, to follow the money, basically, to look at connections as opposed to teams actively working together, hand in hand, to throw this election? >> well, it could come at it in two ways. one is, i think we have remember that mueller is a very serious guy. he's got enormous experience, not just as director of the fbi, but he was a federal prosecutor before that. he's amassed a team that's extremely highly respected for their expertise, money laundering, international financial transactions and so forth. so i don't think there's any question that he's looking in an extremely serious way. i would be surprised if he's winding down the investigation. what this shows is that they're very seriously going forward. on the other hand, you can't get everything all at once. so it may be that at the same time, they may be trying to, if