state on a whole host of policy issues. >> and those policy issues, kristen and carol, is a critical backdrop to all of this. we're talking about the secretary of state, as you have, the crisis in north korea that's been intensifying in the last few months. you got what was happening with the u.s. relationship with iran and questions about what happens with the nuclear deal next, carol. >> right, and those are just two of the issues that secretary tillerson and the president have clashed on. we also know they clashed on how to handle the saudi arabia and the united arab emirates conflict with qatar. you saw the president -- the secretary say one thing and then the president come out and undercut him on that. you may know that secretariy tillerson, around the time he was considering resigning, really pushed the president on signing the nuclear deal.