there is also a calculation. >> this is really interesting to me, because thing is a central analytical question about how this individual operates. because there is these kind of two theorys of him. one is there is this kind of -- he is this kind of accidental maelstrom that the sort of variety of factors in broader american life have put him in this position. and the other is that he is quite a canny manipulator. >> i'm with the second. >> you are with the second? >> yes. sometimes his canny manipulation gets out of control. >> right. >> even he goes too far. but he was a canny manipulator when he became a birther. that was not accidental. >> right. >> that was deliberate. he was a canny manipulator when he started his campaign basically insulting immigrants and calling mexicans rapists and criminals. and you can go on and on. it was designed to really attach himself to enough of a core of republican voters that he would